@corbet Once upon a time lines of code seemed like the most jaw-droppingly stupid measure of programmer productivity imaginable...but the industry has managed to outdo itself.

@swetland That's an all-too familiar feeling.

@rk @paul_ipv6 Not sure how new either is, but FWIW I would heartily recommend Compère Lapin for delicious food and the nearby Howlin' Wolf for music (Hot 8 Brass Band are a favorite of mine and have a residency there, though they might be out on tour).

@rk @agentultra I've certainly read that quote before and always found it a bit mystifying. Even setting aside the question of how successful a dragging it was, in terms of what was even attempted I have a hard time seeing it as anything close to halfway -- seems more like 5% or so at best.

@JustinAzoff @cks a somewhat cleaner solution IMO is exec startx (which I have aliased in my bashrc as simply x for just that purpose).

@whitequark @baloo @be0ba Not exactly the same board, but for another Supermicro of (I think) a similar vintage, there's some info on finding the BMC's UART pins here: https://github.com/Keno/bmcnonsense/blob/master/blog/03-serial2.md

And for another tool recommendation, I'll suggest @arj's culvert -- not for any one specific thing offhand, but a very useful general-purpose "doing horrible things to Aspeed BMCs" Swiss army knife (usable without a bootable host via the Aspeed debug UART interface).

@shadower A recruiter at Tesla recently sent me an email; I sent him this in response:

I regret that I have but two middle fingers to raise in Elon Musk's direction. If you can lend yours to the cause and display them emphatically if you happen to see him I'd appreciate it.

@rk @requiem Can't point to any specific accounts offhand, but the https://oldbytes.space/ instance may be of interest if you're not already aware of it.

@kwf Best I've seen is from @th: https://social.v.st/@th/113595511699867723

@arj Kids learning about big-O notation?

...and again a year later.

@cks @mhoye

There's no polite general way to ask a process to terminate

Is that not what SIGTERM is? (I suppose it could be argued that a signal that defaults to immediate termination isn't entirely "polite", but hopefully a program that would actually be sensitive to such impoliteness would install a handler for it to do appropriate things before exiting.)

you can only easily find out about a child ending if you're its parent.

In terms of portable mechanisms yes, though on a reasonably recent Linux you can use poll(2) or the like on a a pidfd for a non-child process.

(Offhand I don't know of any existing tools that expose pidfds in a shell-convenient way, but if someone were sufficiently desperate I expect a bash extension loaded via enable -f could probably do it in a reasonably ergonomic fashion.)

@rk ...the dog fixes the plumbing?

@rk I'm inclined to agree with Biscuit's instincts there; that dog doesn't look right.

A vet we used to go to had a little wire frame statue of a dog out front, just bent rebar or something. One time as we were going in, despite it being literally about 80% see-through, my dog walked up to it and promptly sniffed its butt.

@chalpin Is the 10-minute talk duration listed there correct? That seems like an impressive array of topics for so little time...

@rk Except some of us thought he did!

@rk In the vein of complex (and perhaps amusing) human-deity relationships, I'd be curious to hear your thoughts on Joseph Heller's "God Knows". I liked it a lot when I read it, but now it's been 20+ years and I'm thinking I should do so again.

@th hash tag threat model? (re: right-side server BMC)

@david_chisnall @grahamperrin

line-diff tools (which, for better or worse, are the tools we have)

git diff --color-words is a tool that we have, and an extremely useful one for making prose diffs more readable, FWIW. (Even if sentence-per-line formatted, but especially so if not.)

@georgetakei Rapidly approaching https://theonion.com/centers-for-disease-contraction-urges-americans-to-suck-1819575826/